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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:06:00 -
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CCP probably want people in high sec to earn enough isk to pay for plex. Some people feel high sec profits are too high, but those high sec profits are what keeps CCP in business. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:21:00 -
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highonpop wrote:I know several nullsec people who rat there faces off to plex their accounts. I would say just as many people from nullsec PLEX tehir accounts than highsec. Especially when you can rat for just a few hours in nullsec and buy a PLEX and they do this for 2 or 3 accounts
Cool, I guess.
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:29:00 -
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Don't get Mexican food it will give you food poisoning. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:33:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:It should be impossible to make enough isk for plex in hisec imo. Having the safest activities in game generate enough isk to plex your characters goes against the risk-vs-reward ethos of EVE Online.
But it doesn't go against the profitable business ethos of CCP.
Quote:Besides, it's a stupid goal anyway, because look what happened when incursionfaucets were introduced: Plex prices jumped.
CCP want plex prices to jump. Higher plex prices means more people are inclined to buy plex. If plex was unavailable to high-sec players, the price of plex would drop to 250m each. No-one would but plex, they'd just paypal isk from Johnny Chinese instead. |
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Posted - 2012.09.20 09:58:00 -
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Was that post aimed at me or are you just ranting to yourself? I don't get it... You quoted someone else's post but only the part where he was quoting me and then you went on a rant about something irrelevant.
Anyway in response to your rant, people get shot in busy city centres in broad daylight all the time. Making it illegal and having police on patrol doesn't stop it from happening and that is how it is in Eve. |
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:38:00 -
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Okay, your formatting was confusing. |
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:52:00 -
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What if the highest rewards were in low sec instead of null sec? This way anyone who wants the best rewards will be prey to the pirates. |
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:19:00 -
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Scamming is legit, but it's not something CCP can regulate. There is no way for CCP to control the amount of isk someone can earn through scamming. |
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:46:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Why limit earnings for legit trades when they can not or will not limit earnings for scams?
There is no limit on how much you can earn through legit trades in high-sec either.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:49:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:intervenes with NPC Police if the ripped off players tries to punch the scammer in the face
Punching people in the face is illegal, taking advantage of people's stupidity isn't. Sometimes.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:56:00 -
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You're comparing scamming to mission running which is no more relevant than comparing high-sec trading to mission running. They are both ways of making isk in high-sec and they are both irrelevant to the subject of this topic. |
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:56:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:i must admit that lo sec rats and null bear tears do taste sweeter for some reason.
The tears of bitter elitists are even better. |
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:03:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:alienate the core audience who kept your game alive for a decade in the process
Please explain how people minding their own business in hi-sec, earning enough isk to get themselves established in the game while they train the skills they need to compete with 'the core audience who kept your game alive for a decade in the process' is somehow alienating 'the core audience who kept your game alive for a decade in the process'.
It seems to me, you have an elitist attitude which demands all new players suffer as much as possible so you can feel good about being an established player while the new players worship you for being so awesome.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:12:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:As if a large majority of you will "compete with the core audience who kept your game alive for a decade in the process". What you're going to end up doing is, fart around in hisec for a few months, get bored, unsubscribe.
I guess your crystal ball also showed you that reducing the available income in high-sec will prevent this from happening.
Lord Zim wrote:Pray tell, what has been proposed to make "all new players suffer as much as possible"?
Posts suggesting that level 4s should give 3m isk/hour and other posts claiming that greedy high-sec carebears are killing EvE will all their money and they must be put in their place... in the poorhouse where they belong.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:36:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:To do this, nullsec needs severe buffs in industry and convenience options, in addition to a complete revamp of how alliances make money, i.e. less dependency on moons and more dependencies of people actually doing things like PI, mining etc, while hisec needs to be nerfed to both provide incentives to move into low/nullsec.
I don't think those things need to happen. I just think nullsec needs to become more accessible to new players. From browsing the recruitment forum, it seems most Alliances in sov space have SP requirements and don't seem to want new players in their corp. They don't seem to actively recruit new players either. The alliances that recruit new players are the small hi-sec alliances that need large numbers to try to move into nullsec.
Lord Zim wrote:Has CCP said this? Has anyone from the playerbase (who weren't trolling you) said this?
No... people in this thread these things. I wasn't trying to imply it was a CCP statement and I would have no reason to as the discussion was about elitism in the playerbase, not about CCP.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:44:00 -
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Uris Vitgar wrote:You're actually arguing that new players should have enough isk to play for free? If the risk/reward structure for eve was correctly laid out, it should be the highsec players selling PLEX and the null/low players buying it.
Yeah, okay. |
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:50:00 -
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Seminole Sun wrote:4) The discussion about plexing is an interesting (and I think valid) one but I'd remind everyone that buffing rats in null-sec (or any kind of isk faucet in the game) WILL lead to higher plex prices. So if you buff null-sec rats, you are, in terms of plex/hour, nerfing hi-sec mission runners. I take no particular position on that issue but I'm pointing out the simple economics of it.
The price of Plex does always seem to be steadily rising, but on the other hand, higher PLEX/isk values will encourage more people to buy PLEX with cash (theoretically) and keep the market injected with a healthy supply of PLEX to keep prices relatively stable. What I mean is, people would rather spend $20 on a PLEX that will sell for 600m ISK than spend $20 on a PLEX which will sell for only 200m.
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